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| Upp meeting on next Tuesday 12 [message #24303] |
Sat, 09 January 2010 15:28  |
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koldo
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Hey all !
Do you want to be with your Upp colleagues?.
If yes, meet them next Tuesday 12 at 22:00 UTC in IRC*.
Come, take your favorite drink and talk with the Upp community. Free entrance  .
Don't be afraid. Come on. Everybody wants to know your ideas !
… and Mirek has promised to be there.
Best regards
Koldo
*How to get there?
- Install IRC. For example in Firefox you can use Chatzilla https://addons.mozilla.org/es-ES/firefox/addon/16
- Then enter in irc://slashnet/u++
*FAQ
- Why in IRC and not in ICQ, Google Talk or Skype ?
Well, IRC is open, does not require an account and as it is a chatting system, you do not need to speak English fluently to understand everybody.
- Why at 22:00 UTC
It is a time that, with more or less effort, many people all over the world could attend
- Where is the program?
I had one but, I forgot it in the underground  !. If you have some opinion, idea or question, just post it here before. If we do not have enough time, we should have to meet us again !
- Which is the right drink ?
Well, you know, tea, coffee, czech beer…
- And why not a full conference, with hostesses dressing in red
Ok, if you sponsor it.
Best regards
Iñaki
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| Re: Upp meeting on next Tuesday 12 [message #24328 is a reply to message #24327] |
Mon, 11 January 2010 10:13  |
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koldo
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Hello all
For next or other meetings I include some proposals. They are not original as more or less they have been commented in Forum before:
Poll to choose the better meeting time
Every attendee can indicate his/her favorites begin-end times. We can mix them and determinate the better time for next meetings, trying to reduce the attendees effort but also trying that everybody can stay.
Development Projects
Bazaar is good; people go mainly alone and prepare new interesting things.
But some things because of the complexity (example: video player) or the wide range (example: documentation) may require more than one person. Sometimes you have free time, you feel good and clever and do excellent software. But other times you do not, so really more than one person would be required to get the goals in finite time.
And this requires coordination.
It would be positive to have a place to coordinate teamworks. That place could let to:
* Propose new projects: definition, goals, output expected
* Arrange teams
* Put the status, news, schedule
Bazaar page could be this place, although some dynamic parts, like project specification, perhaps could be in a collaborative documentation place like Google Docs. The final output would be C++ or T++.
Bazaar page
Now we have a Bazaar page. It is great !. And we can do it better. It is proposed to add new info. to this page like:
* For the package users
--* Component table
--* How to use them
* For the package authors
--* Introduction and license
--* How to include new contents
----* Package description
----* Upload system
----* Folder organization
----* Permissions
----* Format
----* Max size
--* Maintenance
Bazaar page could even be more significant if it would center former proposal.
Ultimate Book
Ultimate documentation is growing and is available in TheIde and Upp applications through Topic++ help technology.
However some of us think that there is a space for a well structured book including the documentation from the beginners side to the reference guide and appendixes with Bazaar projects. Easy to read in the introduction areas, but complete in the reference areas, with many examples and following Upp design style. All the docs in one place instead of in different help pages, so easier to be distributed.
To do it from the scratch would be an astonishing job. Not only to build it up, it has to be maintained updated.
So why not have both things at the same time ?: Based in Upp technology we can have a help system and a book with only one effort.
Join to prepare the required software and redefine the actual help pages to be compatible with the book.
Best regards
Koldo
Best regards
Iñaki
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| Re: Upp meeting on next Tuesday 12 [message #24340 is a reply to message #24328] |
Mon, 11 January 2010 16:29 |
andrei_natanael
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| koldo wrote on Mon, 11 January 2010 11:13 |
Bazaar page could be this place, although some dynamic parts, like project specification, perhaps could be in a collaborative documentation place like Google Docs. The final output would be C++ or T++.
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Sorry, but i dislike to use too many sources...
We have nightly builds, bug reports, feature requests, wiki, repository mirroring on googlecode, some releases, bug reports and feature request on sourceforge, site, documentation and forum on ultimatepp.org. If we manage to use git for U++ repository where will be master repo which everyone may clone? Gitorious, GoogleCode, SourceForge, Ultimatepp? Just count with me how many accounts one need to participate to one single project:
U++ forum, Google, Sourceforge, Subversion account. Now think that one may participate to more than one project.
IMO we have to have one central point, Ultimatepp site, documentation is here, forum is here and eventually a single host for repository and which provide bug reports, feature requests or we should put these last two on U++ site.
Sorry for being off-topic a bit.
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| Re: Upp meeting on next Tuesday 12 [message #24346 is a reply to message #24340] |
Mon, 11 January 2010 17:58 |
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koldo
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| andrei_natanael wrote on Mon, 11 January 2010 16:29 |
| koldo wrote on Mon, 11 January 2010 11:13 |
Bazaar page could be this place, although some dynamic parts, like project specification, perhaps could be in a collaborative documentation place like Google Docs. The final output would be C++ or T++.
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Sorry, but i dislike to use too many sources...
We have nightly builds, bug reports, feature requests, wiki, repository mirroring on googlecode, some releases, bug reports and feature request on sourceforge, site, documentation and forum on ultimatepp.org. If we manage to use git for U++ repository where will be master repo which everyone may clone? Gitorious, GoogleCode, SourceForge, Ultimatepp? Just count with me how many accounts one need to participate to one single project:
U++ forum, Google, Sourceforge, Subversion account. Now think that one may participate to more than one project.
IMO we have to have one central point, Ultimatepp site, documentation is here, forum is here and eventually a single host for repository and which provide bug reports, feature requests or we should put these last two on U++ site.
Sorry for being off-topic a bit.
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Hello Andrei
I agree with you . Precisely because of it I think it is important to have a meeting like tomorrow and to center and coordinate the efforts. Don't you ?.
Best regards
koldo
Best regards
Iñaki
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| Re: Upp meeting on next Tuesday 12 [message #24379 is a reply to message #24303] |
Wed, 13 January 2010 10:16 |
mr_ped
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Some notes to/from first meeting:
- we should probably focus a bit on "discipline", i.e.:
* making the meeting from 20:30UTC (optional) with "official" part starting at 21:00UTC, expected end of official part 22:00UTC and no delays allowed.
* a moderator during official hours
* some agenda for official part, if desirable, so everybody can prepare some notes beforehand
During first meeting we did end talking about our biggest personal issues, and just so so managed to listen to everyone, so while I don't like discipline too much, to make these meetings as effective as possible we should maybe look into it a bit.
- we should do these meetings regularly, like every 2 weeks, and rotate main official theme. I mean something like:
* biggest personal issues
* biggest bugs/problems/deficiencies in library code (similar to previous, but focused on direct code fixing)
* well defined (easy to moderate) quests for volunteers which would help project immediately
* things done since previous meeting (connected to previous)
* best dev practices, development techniques, new trends, how U++ does cope with them, how to use U++ effectively, etc...
* daydreaming and future guessing, i.e. what would you like to happen in next years with U++
* [added during edit] one man show - somebody would do basically a presentation/training on some interesting topic (although IRC is not very good platform for that)
What do you think about it? I think it would allow us to focus on the similar things together, which IMHO should be more effective then random chitchat talking.
And if you like it, what's the best theme for next meeting? (I would probably choose to define quests for volunteers or development practices discussion)
- I'm looking forward for summary, the meeting did fly by so fast I have problems to recall everything from it, it was quite intensive and packed with information. Good job everyone.
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| Re: Upp meeting on next Tuesday 12 [message #24502 is a reply to message #24407] |
Thu, 21 January 2010 12:17 |
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koldo
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| koldo wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 00:01 |
Hello all
In this page you can find the meeting minute and the meeting agenda for next meeting on January 26.
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B2KJA8BmYq-CYTU2OWM2ODctZGJ iNy00ZTg3LTk0NGUtMjgxYzMxYTg5YjE4&hl=en
The reason to put them there has been:
- It lets to share a formated text
- It lets to be modified
Specially the meeting agenda is open for you to add and modify issues. Please mail me for edit permission. If you have problems I can enter them for you.
Proposals for next meeting to underline are:
- Duration 1 hour
- To include at the end a technical presentation (uno is invited )
- To do the meeting minute during the meeting, using a collaborative word processor like Google Docs
If there are things you are not agree lets discuss and fix them. If they are not simple please put them in next meeting.
Meeting agenda is a dynamic text that would have to be in a collaborative place. However meeting minute perhaps could be hosted in Upp page.
Best regards
Koldo
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Hello all
Meeting Minute has been updated. Added subjects and moderator (mr_ped).
In addition, Unodgs is almost convinced to answer questions about his packages .
There have been complaints as to edit in Google Docs a Google account is necessary, and not everyone wants to.
I agree but I do not know any other free internet document editing system. If somebody propose a nicer place I would move the files immediately.
Other comments are that some people does not want Meeting Minutes, Agendas and things like this, just a time and a place to chat about U++. What do you think about it ?
Best regards
Koldo
Best regards
Iñaki
[Updated on: Thu, 21 January 2010 12:19] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Upp meeting on next Tuesday 12 [message #24503 is a reply to message #24502] |
Thu, 21 January 2010 13:56 |
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| koldo wrote on Thu, 21 January 2010 12:17 |
Other comments are that some people does not want Meeting Minutes, Agendas and things like this, just a time and a place to chat about U++. What do you think about it ?
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Hi Koldo,
IMHO: Moderated discussion with agenda and all the related stuff is necessary if we want to use those meetings to solve problems and lay out direction for next development.
But I also believe that outside of these official meetings, anyone can chat about anything. There should be no problem to maintain the IRC room opened all the time (I can be there whenever I'm on-line, thats just few clicks in pidgin settings). Also unofficial meetings every other week as proposed by mrjt seem like a good idea to me.
Best regards,
Honza
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