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Mon, 25 January 2010 14:13

Sc0rch
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Let's start here...

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Mon, 25 January 2010 14:52

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Another question, how realistic do on site www.ultimatepp.org Russian menu on the left, if the person switched to the Russian language in the articles?

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Mon, 25 January 2010 15:23

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if Overview translated, I'll translate "Examples"...

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #24616 is a reply to message #24600]

Mon, 25 January 2010 17:58

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Hmm, uppbox generates examples-page using the packages, so I can't change examples' info (any thoughts how to deal with that?). Well, I've translated what I can (including HelloWorld example).

Best regards and sorry for my English.
Anton.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #24628 is a reply to message #24616]

Mon, 25 January 2010 22:56

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Quote:

Hmm, uppbox generates examples-page using the packages, so I can't change examples' info (any thoughts how to deal with that?). Well, I've translated what I can (including HelloWorld example).

Hello Sc0rch

The subject is not to translate pages, it is to insert new pages that are translations of older and are linked to them and to main web hyperlink web in a nice way.

One example is in new Bazaar page. Read the documentation and tell me what do you think.

Best regards
Koldo

Best regards
Iñaki

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #24635 is a reply to message #24628]

Tue, 26 January 2010 06:04

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koldo wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 03:56

The subject is not to translate pages, it is to insert new pages that are translations of older and are linked to them and to main web hyperlink web in a nice way.

Hello Koldo,

As I'm doing now, =) This evening, I'll try upload ru-pages to SVN with help of someone. P.S. Just inserting translated pages, not overwriting.

koldo wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 03:56

One example is in new Bazaar page. Read the documentation and tell me what do you think.

Sorry, I'm new here. I have no idea where Bazaar is new, and where it is old, =) What kind of documentation / example?

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Anton

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #24704 is a reply to message #24635]

Thu, 28 January 2010 03:05

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Hey

A web page in Russian !

http://www.ultimatepp.org/www$uppweb$overview$ru-ru.html

Do not you think that we may do it in more languages ?

(Why not in your language)

Perhaps not all the documentation, but at least the:

- Index (home page)
- Overview
- Comparisons
- Download

and of course Smile

- Funding

Best regards
Koldo

Best regards
Iñaki

[Updated on: Thu, 28 January 2010 03:30]

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations [message #24705 is a reply to message #24704]

Thu, 28 January 2010 04:06

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I have tried to provide such a way that not only the Russian translation could be placed on the site.

The work of translation is not fast. We work together with Anton (sc0rch). We will translate all the articles gradually.

I hope the representatives of other languages is also willing to do the translation.

I do not know how to other countries, but Russia's situation is that the lack of translation is a serious barrier to start using the tool.

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[Updated on: Thu, 28 January 2010 04:09]

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #24709 is a reply to message #24600]

Thu, 28 January 2010 14:21

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sergeynikitin,

-30 C in our lands, sunshine))
I read what you've changed in my translation. That's right, the changes are correct. Thank you! P.S. I've fixed one misprint, sending changes to you.

Best regards,
Anton.

[Updated on: Thu, 28 January 2010 16:05]

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Thu, 28 January 2010 15:52

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To speed up translation maybe use http://translate.google.com/# and check translation and correct?

sergeynikitin wrote on Thu, 28 January 2010 05:06

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Thu, 28 January 2010 17:07

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Hi Ion.
Yes we did so.

Just write the original texts are not in simple english. When just reading the documentation, it does not require the literal sense. And when the translation, I want to extinct as possible.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations [message #24962 is a reply to message #24718]

Sat, 06 February 2010 04:13

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Problem!! We've started to translate descriptions of some examples and discovered, that links in .tpp extract to html not correctly (for example see AnimatedHello links [en][ru])

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Sun, 07 February 2010 00:48

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sergeynikitin wrote on Sat, 06 February 2010 04:13

Problem!! We've started to translate descriptions of some examples and discovered, that links in .tpp extract to html not correctly (for example see AnimatedHello links [en][ru])

Hello Sergey

Do you remember I told in other post that uppweb has "en-us" hardcoded everywhere ?.

Well, this is one place.

In addition uppweb does not try to take hyperlinks from Examples pages, so the [en][ru] links are lost.

If nobody can do it in one week I would internationalize a little bit uppweb .cpp code.

Best regards
Iñaki

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Sun, 07 February 2010 11:45

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Yes, I already understood this. I also try to look elsewhere this can be corrected.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25118 is a reply to message #24600]

Thu, 11 February 2010 14:19

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Hello everyone! Thanks for the answers!

I think, it would be ideal if the user could click the "RU" at top of page, go to the main Russian page, save it to his bookmarks and forget about switching the language.

Also, if the article is not translated yet, the English version of the article can be displayed.

What do you think?

Just my thoughts. Sorry, if something wrong. Best regards!
Anton.

P.S. I have translated Index-page, looking for another...

[Updated on: Thu, 11 February 2010 14:24]

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25119 is a reply to message #25118]

Thu, 11 February 2010 15:45

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Sc0rch wrote on Thu, 11 February 2010 14:19

Hello Sc0rch

All of it seems more than reasonable Smile

Best regards
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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25135 is a reply to message #25119]

Fri, 12 February 2010 08:10

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I've added Header on index.html page during localisation.

Please test it. I thing, that with header is better.

Please share your opinion.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25136 is a reply to message #25135]

Fri, 12 February 2010 09:15

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Hello Sergey

Uppweb package does not compile. It seems it is something wrong with changed en-us index page:

c:\upp\uppbox\uppweb\www.tpp\index$en-us.tppi(3) : error C2466: cannot allocate an array of constant size 0
c:\upp\uppbox\uppweb\www.tpp\index$en-us.tppi(3) : error C2143: syntax error : missing '}' before '<<'
c:\upp\uppbox\uppweb\www.tpp\index$en-us.tppi(3) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '<<'
c:\upp\uppbox\uppweb\www.tpp\index$en-us.tppi(3) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '<<'
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(71) : error C2065: 'topic' : undeclared identifier
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(71) : error C2065: 'title' : undeclared identifier
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(71) : error C2065: 'data' : undeclared identifier
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(71) : error C2065: 'data' : undeclared identifier
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(71) : error C2070: ''unknown-type'': illegal sizeof operand
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(71) : error C2065: 'data' : undeclared identifier
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(73) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(77) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(81) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(85) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(89) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(93) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(97) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(101) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(105) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(109) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(113) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(117) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppbox\uppweb/www.tpp/all.i(121) : error C2447: '{' : missing function header (old-style formal list?)
C:\upp\uppsrc\Core/topic_group.h(123) : error C2059: syntax error : '}'
C:\upp\uppsrc\Core/topic_group.h(123) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '}'
C:\upp\uppsrc\Core/topic_group.h(123) : error C2059: syntax error : '}'
C:\upp\uppsrc\Core/topic_group.h(120) : error C2065: 'TOPIC__01_fn' : undeclared identifier

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25138 is a reply to message #25136]

Fri, 12 February 2010 10:07

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oooops I've not touched uppweb. It's maybe wrong all.i.
Open www.tpp and touch index$en-us. Maybe it help.

I've just compiled on my computer. All compiled OK.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25139 is a reply to message #25138]

Fri, 12 February 2010 12:02

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Hello Sergei

Please check file index$en-us.tppi.

To be sure I have:
- Deleted uppweb and downloaded from svn
- Checked the file in upp-mirror

This is the beginning:

TITLE("Ultimate++ is a C++ cross-platform rapid application development framework")
COMPRESSED
<<<<<<< .mine
120,156,172,

This is the end:

>>>>>>> .r2061

The symbols >>>>>>> and <<<<<<< are not part of the file and seem to be added by svn.

If you delete them the package compiles and runs.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25140 is a reply to message #24600]

Fri, 12 February 2010 12:07

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Hello all

Quote:

I've added Header on index.html page during localisation.

Please test it. I thing, that with header is better.

Please share your opinion.

Just to show it to everybody this is a detail of the new look of index page that Sergey proposes:

index.php?t=getfile&id=2248&private=0

Now this is off-line. Tomorrow it will be visible in web.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25142 is a reply to message #25139]

Fri, 12 February 2010 13:08

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Quote:

The symbols >>>>>>> and <<<<<<< are not part of the file and seem to be added by svn.

They are added by svn in case that there are merge conflicts.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25145 is a reply to message #24600]

Fri, 12 February 2010 16:30

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Hi Koldo!

If there are doubts about modifying the home page, it can be brought up for discussion, or, in the end, nothing prevents us tomorrow or next week to return to the previous version.

My pros and cons:

- I hope that we can change the functional uppweb so that text typed script for more than 24 points in the HTML output would fall as the tag <H1>, and then these titles help us very much in search engine optimization.

- Is the repetition of key words typed with a different style.

Certainly it seems to me quite right to alter design of the main page and include plenty of keywords to go there and remove it from the list of files to download, because, again, for search engine optimization, the main holder of the keywords the site is the home page.

I'd like (for search engine optimization is extremely important) to be able to links and images to include the tag TITLE, which shows a balloon, but the text of the tips is several times more weight than plain text for search engines.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25146 is a reply to message #25145]

Fri, 12 February 2010 17:10

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sergeynikitin wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 10:30

I'd like (for search engine optimization is extremely important)

Frankly, my opinion is that it is much hyped, so that consulting companies can sell more...

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25147 is a reply to message #25146]

Fri, 12 February 2010 17:14

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I thing that title is perhaps OK, but I would not repeat the first sentence there..

However, the index page is more than 3 years old now (I believe), maybe we rather should take this oportunity to make some overhaul of the text?

I suggest putting some screenshot back (I have removed it by me SEO consultant advice.. Smile

and perhaps make the screen more active, like giving directions (at least something "I am newbie" link or similar).

Suggestions welcome.

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25148 is a reply to message #25147]

Fri, 12 February 2010 17:33

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In fact, the rules of search engines are constantly changing, so it is possible that I have knowledge may well be old (I certainly hope that this is not true).

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25149 is a reply to message #25147]

Fri, 12 February 2010 19:29

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luzr wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 22:14

Suggestions welcome.

Hello, Mirek!
I think, HelloWorld example link can be placed on the main page (for newbies and maybe for interest of others =)).

Best regards,
Anton

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Fri, 12 February 2010 21:32

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Sc0rch wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 21:29

luzr wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 22:14

Suggestions welcome.

Hello, Mirek!
I think, HelloWorld example link can be placed on the main page (for newbies and maybe for interest of others =)).

Best regards,
Anton

Maybe TheIDE + window of Layout Designer and there (in it) design of window of HelloWorld?

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25155 is a reply to message #25149]

Fri, 12 February 2010 21:35

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Hello Sergey

I do not want to be annoying but for now index$en-us.tppi follows being corrupted so web will not work.

If you do not believe me check this:

Quote:

http://code.google.com/p/upp-mirror/source/browse/trunk/uppb ox/uppweb/www.tpp/index%24en-us.tppi

Perhaps your local copy is Ok but not the copy in svn.

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Fri, 12 February 2010 21:38

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Ok, I'll re-upload tonight all these files.

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Fri, 12 February 2010 21:40

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In fact in local copy everything ok while compiling uppweb.

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Sat, 13 February 2010 13:36

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koldo wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 15:35

Hello Sergey

I do not want to be annoying but for now index$en-us.tppi follows being corrupted so web will not work.

If you do not believe me check this:

Quote:

http://code.google.com/p/upp-mirror/source/browse/trunk/uppb ox/uppweb/www.tpp/index%24en-us.tppi

Perhaps your local copy is Ok but not the copy in svn.

Seems ok in svn...

Anyway, for sergey: Please do UPDATE before doing any work to avoid conflicts.

Mirek

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25214 is a reply to message #25179]

Sun, 14 February 2010 15:08

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Hello all

Now Upp web is a little bit more international.

Could you find something different ? Smile

Now uppweb has a .t file with supported languages.

If you want to add a new one:

- include the new language and the messages in .t

- go to www.cpp and add your language here:

	languages.Add(LNG_('E','N','U','S'));
	languages.Add(LNG_('R','U','R','U'));

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Sun, 14 February 2010 15:42

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There is a small problem with the translation Funding Ultimate++. In Russia, limited use of PayPal (perhaps not only in Russia).

Perhaps there are similar international instruments?

In Russia (and in post soviet countries) very common WebMoney (http://www.webmoney.ru/ or english link http://www.wmtransfer.com/).

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Sun, 14 February 2010 15:47

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sergeynikitin wrote on Sun, 14 February 2010 15:42

That is not a translation problem, it is a financing one Smile

And definitely, to get new financing sources is not a problem, is an opportunity Wink

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25225 is a reply to message #25214]

Mon, 15 February 2010 04:55

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koldo wrote on Sun, 14 February 2010 20:08

Hello all

Now Upp web is a little bit more international
Could you find something different ? Smile

Menu looks great! Thank you for help, Koldo.

About PayPal: Funding must be easier for users, more universal, have alternative ways of payment. Maybe, WebMoney is a good alternative.

Best regards,
Anton

[Updated on: Mon, 15 February 2010 04:56]

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Re: Ultimate++ Homepage Translations (RU...) [message #25256 is a reply to message #25225]

Mon, 15 February 2010 21:32

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Hello all

Now translation links are in right side.

As they are part of the T++ page, they have to be written and linked between them every time a page is done. Also in Forum these links are lost.

I propose some new locations labelled 1, 2 or 3.

These locations would be done automatically by uppweb so no language link would have to be included in T++.

index.php?t=getfile&id=2288&private=0

What do you think ?. What location do you prefer ?

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Mon, 15 February 2010 21:39

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koldo wrote on Mon, 15 February 2010 21:32

What do you think ?. What location do you prefer ?

I would say the best position would be in the header (somewhere above position 3), but there is already google ad.

From the suggested places, I think number 2 is the best.

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Honza

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