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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53322 is a reply to message #53318]

Sun, 29 March 2020 03:14

Lance
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I have exact the same experience as koldo. No automatic build method generation happened on Ubuntu 18.04 as of the most recent nightly build. I mannully created a gcc.bm using the content posted by deep and it fixed my problem.

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53324 is a reply to message #53322]

Sun, 29 March 2020 15:55

mirek
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Lance wrote on Sun, 29 March 2020 03:14

I have exact the same experience as koldo. No automatic build method generation happened on Ubuntu 18.04 as of the most recent nightly build. I mannully created a gcc.bm using the content posted by deep and it fixed my problem.

That is as designed. They get created the first time theide runs.

Of course, install should not try to copy them, that is a mistake.

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53326 is a reply to message #53322]

Sun, 29 March 2020 16:31

mirek
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OK, I can see the current experience is underwhelming. I am working on "linux experience overhaul" now... Smile

One little idea that might (or might not) help us:

https://www.ultimatepp.org/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=109 65&start=0&

My current plan is to

a) fix makefile based tarball

b) create a second more 'automated' U++ release that would work as close to Win32 or MacOS as possible. Single directory, static umk, script that builds theide. Maybe even could contain theide script file that calls that script to get replace by the binary. No more install, just keep files in that folder, just like with macos and win32 (except I am undecided whether to put config files there, or use ~/.upp). Building with umk on decent machine in Release/BLITZ takes 2 minutes, that is faster than installing most applications in windows... Smile

Of course, install script should resolve dependencies as well...

Mirek

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53329 is a reply to message #53326]

Sun, 29 March 2020 17:14

koldo
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Thank you, Mirek. It's great that you can do this. Continuing with this line, it would be excellent that we have a clear line about which is the best way to distribute open source applications, like in GitHub, in which the ease of use for the user is maximum (maybe the user knows nothing at all about C++), in order to:

- Distribute binaries
- The user can compile the binaries in the simplest way on both Windows and Linux or Mac.

Best regards
Iñaki

[Updated on: Sun, 29 March 2020 17:17]

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53332 is a reply to message #53329]

Sun, 29 March 2020 19:35

mirek
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koldo wrote on Sun, 29 March 2020 17:14

Thank you, Mirek. It's great that you can do this. Continuing with this line, it would be excellent that we have a clear line about which is the best way to distribute open source applications, like in GitHub, in which the ease of use for the user is maximum (maybe the user knows nothing at all about C++), in order to:

- Distribute binaries
- The user can compile the binaries in the simplest way on both Windows and Linux or Mac.

Actually, if we wanted to be crazy, we can upload static umk to source tree with install script... Smile

But thats maybe too crazy.

But what should be possible is some form of single installation file that would work on given CPU architecture. It would have to run in console, but other than that... Combined with BLITZ, this sounds like a nice idea....

Mirek

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53333 is a reply to message #53321]

Sun, 29 March 2020 19:38

mirek
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amrein wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 21:10

mirek wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 17:19
koldo wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 15:05
Quote:
I think the best is to avoid .bm completely and just setup these in theide when there is no .bm available.
In this case, as in Windows, it could be an "Automatic build methods setup.." option, although I think TheIDE should have to be fully ready after make install.

Actually, this already works... And there is no difference really, if there are no .bm, ide makes them on start. You would not notice that happened.

The .bm files created with "domake" are mainly for umk command line users.
The script copy raw GCC.bm.in and CLANG.bm.in as GCC.bm and CLANG.bm.

Good point.

That said, I think we do not really need .in files now. Empty (mostly) GCC.bm and CLANG.bm should work just fine..

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53334 is a reply to message #53321]

Sun, 29 March 2020 20:43

mirek
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amrein wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 21:10

mirek wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 17:19
koldo wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 15:05
Quote:
I think the best is to avoid .bm completely and just setup these in theide when there is no .bm available.
In this case, as in Windows, it could be an "Automatic build methods setup.." option, although I think TheIDE should have to be fully ready after make install.

Actually, this already works... And there is no difference really, if there are no .bm, ide makes them on start. You would not notice that happened.

The .bm files created with "domake" are mainly for umk command line users.
The script copy raw GCC.bm.in and CLANG.bm.in as GCC.bm and CLANG.bm.

I have just changed umk to create default build methods just like theide. No more need to create these during install. .var should be autoinstalled in theide as well.

Mirek

[Updated on: Sun, 29 March 2020 20:44]

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53335 is a reply to message #53324]

Sun, 29 March 2020 20:49

Lance
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Registered: March 2007

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Quote:

That is as designed. They get created the first time theide runs.

Except the build method is not created upon the first run. Something is missing. I have deleted the .upp folder before make install and have to fight with an ide not configured with any build method. If build method generation happens at all, like it does in windows, nobody will notice anything and make complaints.

[Updated on: Sun, 29 March 2020 20:57]

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53348 is a reply to message #53322]

Mon, 30 March 2020 12:55

amrein
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Registered: August 2008
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Snapshots are created each morning. The last snapshot "upp-x11-src-14201.tar.gz" works perfectly.

[Updated on: Mon, 30 March 2020 12:58]

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Re: Linux U++ libraries [message #53349 is a reply to message #53334]

Mon, 30 March 2020 12:59

amrein
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Registered: August 2008
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mirek wrote on Sun, 29 March 2020 20:43

amrein wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 21:10
mirek wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 17:19
koldo wrote on Sat, 28 March 2020 15:05
Quote:
I think the best is to avoid .bm completely and just setup these in theide when there is no .bm available.
In this case, as in Windows, it could be an "Automatic build methods setup.." option, although I think TheIDE should have to be fully ready after make install.

Actually, this already works... And there is no difference really, if there are no .bm, ide makes them on start. You would not notice that happened.

The .bm files created with "domake" are mainly for umk command line users.
The script copy raw GCC.bm.in and CLANG.bm.in as GCC.bm and CLANG.bm.

I have just changed umk to create default build methods just like theide. No more need to create these during install. .var should be autoinstalled in theide as well.

Mirek