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Home » U++ Library support » U++ Libraries and TheIDE: i18n, Unicode and Internationalization » Romanian tr for 2008.1beta
Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14183] Mon, 18 February 2008 13:58 Go to next message
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Here is the translation for Romanian. Just a fair warning: I have zero experience with applications in my native language because I always switch to English, so some of my intuitive translations could have a default expression in those given contexts which I'm not aware of Smile.

I will take this opportunity to report a bug too. When trying to edit the tr file in TheIDE, under Windows Vista, it was impossible for me to enter all the special characters. When using Romanian keyboard layout, in Standard mode, some of the characters appeared as '?', and when using Legacy mode, some special characters where replaced with normal ones. I had to edit the tr file in Notepad, which had no problem with neither Legacy or Standard mode (or any other language/mode combination for that matter). I think I saw this behavior once in another non "native" application, but can't recall the context.
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14185 is a reply to message #14183] Mon, 18 February 2008 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Many thanks cbpporter. I'm making an bilingual app. for a friend and your translation has come just in time. It is essential to have all messages from U++ translated else my app. become a hotch-potch.


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Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14187 is a reply to message #14185] Mon, 18 February 2008 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bytefield wrote on Mon, 18 February 2008 18:33

Many thanks cbpporter. I'm making an bilingual app. for a friend and your translation has come just in time. It is essential to have all messages from U++ translated else my app. become a hotch-potch.


Great! Let me know if you spot any mistakes Smile.
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14200 is a reply to message #14187] Tue, 19 February 2008 23:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cbpporter wrote on Mon, 18 February 2008 14:42

bytefield wrote on Mon, 18 February 2008 18:33

Many thanks cbpporter. I'm making an bilingual app. for a friend and your translation has come just in time. It is essential to have all messages from U++ translated else my app. become a hotch-potch.


Great! Let me know if you spot any mistakes Smile.


Thanks. Applying now.

Some minor issues:

roRO("datã\vDu")

You are not supposed to translate \v prefix. (I will fix that).

Also, there were some additional characters at the start of file, I guess you have used something else to edit the file than theide, correct? (Just investigating possibilities).

(No need to "repair" translation, I have fixed it).

Mirek
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14208 is a reply to message #14200] Wed, 20 February 2008 05:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

You are not supposed to translate \v prefix. (I will fix that).

I did not translate the "\v" prefix, just what is before and after. In this and a couple of more strings, I had no idea what they are used for.

Quote:

Also, there were some additional characters at the start of file, I guess you have used something else to edit the file than theide, correct? (Just investigating possibilities).

I will reply with a quote from the first post:
Quote:

I will take this opportunity to report a bug too. When trying to edit the tr file in TheIDE, under Windows Vista, it was impossible for me to enter all the special characters. When using Romanian keyboard layout, in Standard mode, some of the characters appeared as '?', and when using Legacy mode, some special characters where replaced with normal ones. I had to edit the tr file in Notepad, which had no problem with neither Legacy or Standard mode (or any other language/mode combination for that matter). I think I saw this behavior once in another non "native" application, but can't recall the context.

I guess seeing it was not that easy. Should there be some convention to make some thing easier to spot? (like: "BUG:", "BUGFIX:", "QUESTION:" headers). Maybe the forum editor could be extended with a couple of extra styles to help you mark them.
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14211 is a reply to message #14208] Wed, 20 February 2008 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, Notepad add BOM(Byte order mark) at the begin of file. These are
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additional characters at the start of file

If theIDE charset is set to UTF8 there will appear just one space, in others encoding which are not utf, strange characters appear because of BOM, which is specific to Unicode files(stream).


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Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14212 is a reply to message #14208] Wed, 20 February 2008 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cbpporter wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 23:33

Quote:

You are not supposed to translate \v prefix. (I will fix that).

I did not translate the "\v" prefix, just what is before and after. In this and a couple of more strings, I had no idea what they are used for.



No problem, my mistake, should be mentioned in translation guide (now it is).

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I will take this opportunity to report a bug too. When trying to edit the tr file in TheIDE, under Windows Vista, it was impossible for me to enter all the special characters. When using Romanian keyboard layout, in Standard mode, some of the characters appeared as '?', and when using Legacy mode, some special characters where replaced with normal ones. I had to edit the tr file in Notepad, which had no problem with neither Legacy or Standard mode (or any other language/mode combination for that matter). I think I saw this behavior once in another non "native" application, but can't recall the context.


Most likely, you do not have the correct encoding set for the file. See FAQ.

Mirek

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Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14214 is a reply to message #14212] Wed, 20 February 2008 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most likely, you do not have the correct encoding set for the file. See FAQ.

I double checked, and it was set to UTF-8.
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14217 is a reply to message #14214] Wed, 20 February 2008 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Interesting....

Have you tried another font (for starters)?

If yes, I would like to try... I guess I can install ro-ro keyboard; can you tell me which keys to press? Wink (Maybe, a picture of ro-ro keyboard layout would help too).

Mirek
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14218 is a reply to message #14217] Wed, 20 February 2008 13:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If yes, I would like to try... I guess I can install ro-ro keyboard; can you tell me which keys to press? (Maybe, a picture of ro-ro keyboard layout would help too).


This is the best picture I could fin on the net. The special characters of interest are [, ], \, ;, ' (and their Shift+Key equivalent). This is for Vista's legacy mode keyboard layout. Standard mode is a lot more like normal English one, but the extra keys remain in the same position. ] and \ work fine, the rest don't, so the font is at least partially capable of displaying them. And if I open the file, the characters appear correctly, copy&paste works, only directly inputing them doesn't. I don't know how to change fonts: in environment settings I get only a few of the fonts.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Romanian_keyboard_layout_(Romania_&_Moldova)_-_text_as_paths.svg/800px-Romanian_keyboard_layout_(Romania_&_Moldova)_-_text_as_paths.svg.png
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14349 is a reply to message #14218] Sat, 23 February 2008 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well:

index.php?t=getfile&id=1024&private=0

...but tried with XP.

Mirek
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Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14353 is a reply to message #14349] Sat, 23 February 2008 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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luzr wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 11:20

Well:

index.php?t=getfile&id=1024&private=0

...but tried with XP.

Mirek

Yes, no problem under XP. Just Vista.
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14356 is a reply to message #14353] Sat, 23 February 2008 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cbpporter wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 08:20

luzr wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 11:20

Well:

index.php?t=getfile&id=1024&private=0

...but tried with XP.

Mirek

Yes, no problem under XP. Just Vista.


More reasons to love Vista Sad

OK, will check next time I boot that monster Smile

Mirek
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14501 is a reply to message #14353] Wed, 27 February 2008 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cbpporter wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 08:20

luzr wrote on Sat, 23 February 2008 11:20

Well:

index.php?t=getfile&id=1024&private=0

...but tried with XP.

Mirek

Yes, no problem under XP. Just Vista.


Well, it seems to be Vista bug:

http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnste/archive/2007/03/19/some-keybo ards-fail-with-ansi-applications-on-windows-vista-rtm.aspx

Unfortunately, U++ still tries to support Win98.... so in principle, it is ANSI app (OTOH it uses Unicode windows, so I am not quite sure if this Vista bug is related, but seems so).

Mirek
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14516 is a reply to message #14501] Thu, 28 February 2008 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Well, it seems to be Vista bug:

http://blogs.msdn.com/shawnste/archive/2007/03/19/some-keybo ards-fail-with-ansi-applications-on-windows-vista-rtm.aspx


Well that's just great! Second time Vista screws me over with it's crappy font support.

Even though following that link I found a fix and somebody said that it worked for Romanian, when I tried to download it for Romanian, I couldn't find it in the list.
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14537 is a reply to message #14516] Fri, 29 February 2008 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How much effort would it be to add a NOWIN98 conditional flag in U++, so all ANSI support would be stripped out if the user desired so?
Re: Romanian tr for 2008.1beta [message #14562 is a reply to message #14537] Mon, 03 March 2008 19:59 Go to previous message
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cbpporter wrote on Fri, 29 February 2008 10:05

How much effort would it be to add a NOWIN98 conditional flag in U++, so all ANSI support would be stripped out if the user desired so?


I guess we could actually live with "WIN98" flag Wink

But believe or not, we have commercial apps running where Win98 is still required.

I will make a poll.

Mirek
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