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Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE [message #11371 is a reply to message #11360]

Mon, 10 September 2007 15:53

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Include stuff is interesting. Does that mean that any #include <> could be replaced with #include ""?

I didn't add to include uppsrc dir. But I don't think I should - it's also the root of the project in Code::Blocks, so compiler should be able to find whatever it needs, right? Or maybe I have to since #include <> and not #include "" is used in many sources?

I don't quite understand why such a structure is optimal for very large projects (especially if precompiled headers exist), but my problem with it is that it seems (to me, at least) incorrect. Not in terms that I don't like the style, but due to the fact that there are files (headers) that use classes/structures defined in other files (headers), without including them. t.h uses LngEntry__ defined in i18n.h without including it. i18n.h uses String class without including Core/String.h (actually i18n.h only includes the miniature t_.h, but it also uses FileOut defined in Core/Stream.h). AFAIK this means that these files are supposed to be compiled later than the files declaring classes they use, but without referencing them through include, how is the compiler supposed to know that?

It's the first time I encounter such coding style. Are there other (more simple) examples of relying on existance of classes (without explicit including)? It just doesn't seem to be correct C++ coding (does it conform to C++ standards?).

And what exactly is the problem with the classic CPP+H pairs? Just headers (like WTL) is problematic due to, well, huge headers. But why not create a pair of CPP and H for every class / several classes, include the H in the CPP, and in the H use guarding ifndefs, and include all dependencies? Any header will be included at most once, and only the necessary pairs will be used.

One more thing, does BLITZ solve all these problems by finding what needs what and placing it in the correct order? Where could I find info on BLITZ (Google thinks I'm looking for Blitz Basic).

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		Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: sergei on Sun, 09 September 2007 22:03
		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: mirek on Sun, 09 September 2007 23:47
		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: sergei on Mon, 10 September 2007 01:48
		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: mirek on Mon, 10 September 2007 10:16
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		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: sergei on Mon, 10 September 2007 12:25
		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: mirek on Mon, 10 September 2007 13:56
		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: sergei on Mon, 10 September 2007 15:53
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		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: Zardos on Mon, 10 September 2007 17:17
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		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: mirek on Tue, 11 September 2007 22:22
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		Re: Building & using U++ without TheIDE By: sergei on Wed, 12 September 2007 15:22
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