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Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? [message #5922 is a reply to message #2851]

Wed, 25 October 2006 14:01

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cioannou
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This is the second time I try to use Upp and try to drop other tools.

Before reading my opinion please bear in mind:

(http://www.artima.com/cppsource/cpp0x.html)
In an article of Bjarn Stroustrup I read the following sentence which I strongly believe that is absolutely correct.

In my opinion, C++ has become too "expert friendly"

IMHO the most important drawbacks are:

1) Documentation (I am trying to find where "FindFile" is documented and all filesystem related functions).

2)I am not a C++ expert and took me half an hour forum searching to understand how to trap and handle events coming from my "form".

3)Upp Looks "closed" and proprietary.

4)Controls are not very nice looking (e.g. treeview looks terrible, no gradient toolbars) Modern applications should look like this(Sample Powerbuilder application):

http://kodigo.sourceforge.net/images/Screenshots/screenshot4.png

http://kodigo.sourceforge.net/images/Screenshots/screenshot4 .png

5)Everybody likes to write code fast and easy, that's why VB,Powerbuilder and similar tools have loyal friends. Except from the C++ gurus/professionals every other mortal soul hates pointers and strange syntax. So the closer you get to VB or Powerbuilder the more friends you'll get.

6) Comments in examples. Not everyone is a C++ guru.

Suggestions:

1) Better docs
2) A simple but nice looking upp example (with comments in the code) that demonstrates all controls, event handling, database connections, filesystem access, common dialogs (fileopen, browseforfolder, fontselect), external library integration (e.g. Boost), imagebuttons, toolbar, statusbar,resizeable controls.
And please avoid the <expr>?<foo>:<bar> confusing C++ shortcuts.
3)Take a look in Powerbuilder, I think it's the friendliest and RADest tool I've ever seen.

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		Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: fudadmin on Wed, 07 December 2005 21:02
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: Garry on Sun, 08 January 2006 16:29
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: fudadmin on Sun, 08 January 2006 16:51
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: prof on Tue, 25 April 2006 05:41
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: riri on Tue, 25 April 2006 09:13
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: fudadmin on Tue, 25 April 2006 09:29
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: mirek on Tue, 25 April 2006 09:32
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: riri on Tue, 25 April 2006 09:43
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: fudadmin on Tue, 25 April 2006 10:57
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: mirek on Tue, 25 April 2006 09:50
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: riri on Tue, 25 April 2006 11:03
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		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: prof on Thu, 27 April 2006 21:07
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: mirek on Thu, 27 April 2006 21:17
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: prof on Thu, 27 April 2006 22:19
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: unodgs on Thu, 27 April 2006 22:56
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: prof on Fri, 28 April 2006 00:34
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: mirek on Fri, 28 April 2006 00:55
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: prof on Fri, 28 April 2006 01:22
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: cioannou on Wed, 25 October 2006 14:01
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: mirek on Wed, 25 October 2006 14:25
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: cioannou on Wed, 25 October 2006 14:43
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: mirek on Wed, 25 October 2006 14:56
		Re: Which is the biggest drawback of U++ "unpopuliarity"? By: cioannou on Wed, 25 October 2006 15:48
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